Frequently asked questions – installing my chandelier

As this is one of our most popular blogs and a question we are asked frequently I thought I would repost this one. We have covered previously in our blogs about the components you need to purchase to hang your chandelier and in that post we explained some of the things you had to take in to account, so please read through our other posts as these will go hand in hand with this one.

One of our most frequent questions we are asked is “what hook do I need and how do I install the chandelier?”

For the very light chandeliers and light fittings we have a range of hooks and fittings, each displaying the maximum weight load they can take – please take these calculations seriously they are for your assistance BUT ALWAYS load test before installing.

For chandeliers and light fittings over 5kg’s we would recommend the use of your ceiling joists to help accommodate the weight of the chandelier.  For chandeliers up to 20kg open and closed bolt loops are appropriate, please see links below, as the weight of the chandelier increases so to does the size of the bolt loop and so as you increase over  20kgs you will move onto the heavy duty open and closed bolt loops.

Remember – you do not just weight load before installing but intermittently during the installation of the fixings to make sure they are correctly secured.

On occasion you may come across difficult to access ceilings i.e. under floor heating or concrete floors, whilst we cannot give detailed assistance as site visits have not been completed we may on occasion be able to source the specialist fixings required.

Once having installed via the joist you will want to ensure that the ceiling entry point is disguised and for this you will need one of our metal ceiling roses with strap or ceiling domes.  You will need to customise your ceiling rose/dome by enlarging the centre hole to accommodate your chain and cable.

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Different Methods Of Chandelier Pinning

There are different methods of re-pinning your chandelier crystals allowing you the choice to suit your chandelier and your personal preferences.

Chandelier Pinning Options By Kings Chandelier Services Ltd

Chandelier Pins -This is the traditional method of chandelier pinning (along with chandelier wire). The pins have a pin head and come in a choice of finishes and lengths – if you are new to chandelier pinning we recommend that you start with the longer pins and as you become more comfortable with the process you can, if you wish, reduce the length of the pin you start with. Having a longer pin allows you to be able to trim any excess you do not need.

Pinning pliers can be purchased from our website (click here) and we have a “How To” Video on our website on our Video Tutorial Page

Chandelier Bow Tie Clips – These are a simple pinning method, often used on more modern chandeliers but equally acceptable on vintage chandeliers. You insert one “leg” through the hole on your crystal, fold the leg over to the centre (legs to the back of the crystal), insert the other leg through your second crystal and fold over to meet the other leg in the centre thus the decorative front is the piece that will be on show. As well as being popular for repinning chandeliers they are very popular for joining crystals on suncatchers.

Chandelier Connecting Rings – These are again popular for the modern chandeliers and are a simple way of joining chandelier crystals and suncatcher crystals. Open the ring and feed it through the crystal, you may want to find it easier to use our pinning pliers when using the rings to hold the ring open whilst you insert through the crystal to stop the ring closing prematurely.

Chandelier Pinning Wire – A traditional chandelier crystal pinning method whereby you need to create a “pin head” to stop the wire going straight through the crystal. The wire can be cut to the lengths that you require as you go along. The chandelier wire is also used when the design requires the chandelier beads to be strung and for tying in place glass ribs to metal chandelier arms.

If you have any questions please do not hesitate to contact us.

Chandelier Drop Names – Part Three

What Are My Chandelier Drops Called – Part 3 – we have taken a little break from our blogs, not intentionally just busy with new stock coming in and preparing customers orders and restoration projects.

As crystal Albert drops have been very popular in the last weeks I thought this blog could feature cut and plain full and half Alberts.

We recognise that with more people shopping online and less physical shops to personally choose your chandelier drops it can be frustrating, and following a request from one of our interior designer customers we have started putting together some product name identifiers so show some of the names we use on our website with photo examples.

We have many more pieces on our website and in our workshops so please contact us for further details or forward photos of the pieces you are looking to match to – our stocks are genuine vintage and antique pieces not reproduction.

Visit our website https://www.kingschandeliers.co.uk/pendants,-drops,-spikes,-crystal-pendalogues/ or email us info@kingschandeliers.co.uk

chandelier pendant drops Albert style

Chandelier Drop Names – Part Two

What Are My Chandelier Drops Called – Part 2 – it can be quite daunting when searching the internet for replacement chandelier drops and pendants as you may not be familiar with the terminology and companies may refer to pieces by a variation of names. This can be due to a variety of reasons, there are a lot of variations of similar style drops and pendants, some companies may use original French and Italian names but with different spellings and of course when advertising the search engines do not like websites to duplicate their product names excessively.

We recognise that with more people shopping online and less physical shops to personally choose your chandelier drops it can be frustrating, and following a request from one of our interior designer customers we have started putting together some product name identifiers so show some of the names we use on our website with photo examples.

Slab drops are a common chandelier drop and there are many varieties, below is just a small example, and due to the popularity of this style the word “slab” is usually incorporated in the product title and/or description. Examples of product names from our own website include French Slab Drop, Slab Pendant, Bell Drop, Flat Back Slab Drop to name just a few. We have many more pieces on our website and in our workshops so please contact us for further details or forward photos of the pieces you are looking to match to – our stocks are genuine vintage and antique pieces not reproduction.

Visit our website https://www.kingschandeliers.co.uk/pendants,-drops,-spikes,-crystal-pendalogues/ or email us info@kingschandeliers.co.uk

Identifying 3 Core Electric Cable

We are often asked the difference between 2 and 3 core electric cable and how to identify the live and earth wires so are adding this image to our 3 core electric cable listings on our website.

We have a wide range of colours in our braided and twisted and fabric covered round electrical cables with discounts available on bulk purchases.

Visit our website https://www.kingschandeliers.co.uk/chandelier-parts-and-accessories.html or email info@kingschandeliers.co.uk for further details

Chandelier Drop Names – Part One

What are my chandelier drops called – it can be quite daunting when searching the internet for replacement chandelier drops and pendants as you may not be familiar with the terminology and companies may refer to pieces by a variation of names. This can be due to a variety of reasons, there are a lot of variations of similar style drops and pendants, some companies may use original French and Italian names but with different spellings and of course when advertising the search engines do not like websites to duplicate their product names excessively. For example slab drops come in so many variety’s that a play on words may be needed.
We recognise that with more people shopping online and less physical shops to personally choose your chandelier drops it can be frustrating, and following a request from one of our interior designer customers we have started putting together some product name identifiers so show some of the names we use on our website with photo examples.
We have many more pieces on our website and in our workshops so please contact us for further details or forward photos of the pieces you are looking to match to – our stocks are genuine vintage and antique pieces not reproduction.

Visit our website to view our extensive range of chandelier spares, parts and accessories, our website is suitable for everyday lighting projects as well as chandeliers, lamps, candelabra etc. https://www.kingschandeliers.co.uk/chandelier-parts-and-accessories.html

Chandelier Chain – The Importance Of Choosing Correctly

chandelier new labelled

As you would expect of a company that specialises in chandeliers we receive a lot of enquiries for chandelier chain but I think sometimes our response may surprise the customer until we explain. It is very common for the enquiry to be specific in requesting a “pretty” chain or a chain in a particular colour or a wish to match an existing chain. The response that may surprise them a little is “before I can recommend a chain what weight is your chandelier?” we will then explain to them that for us the important factor for us is not how “pretty” the chain is but to ensure that the chain can hold a sufficient weight to be safe for their chandelier. Most customers immediately understand and if they do not already know the weight of their chandelier will go and weigh it and then return to us to choose the appropriate chain whereby we will do the best we can to then meet their personal requests.

Our chains are not only used for installing chandeliers we have customers that include art galleries using the chains for picture hanging, interior designers and antique shops using the chains for hanging mirrors and some customers use them suspending hanging baskets (my chickens have their feeders suspended from one of our chains!)

To help you choose the correct chain for your project here are some of the questions we would routinely ask (for ease we will refer to chandelier but the same principles apply to whatever you are using the chains for):-

  1. What is the weight of your chandelier – if you can lift the chandelier one way of weighing is to weigh yourself then weigh yourself holding the chandelier, subtract one weight from the other then add a little back on
  2. Once you have the weight you know not to look at chains that are showing a weight load max less than this (all our chains show the max they can hold) For example if your chandelier weighs 5kg you can choose any chains showing above this max weigh loading but if your chandelier weighs 10kg look at chains that take more than that weight loading this allows for any errors in calculating the weight – if you are unsure please contact us we are happy to advise
  3. Heavier weight loading chains tend to be welded links rather than split link (split link you can open and close the link) so you need to make a note if your chandelier has an open or closed loop to attach the chain
  4. You will also need to check your ceiling rose for open or closed loop if a welded link chain is being used.
  5. Once you have determined the weight of your chandelier and the type of fixings on your chandelier and ceiling rose you can then look at the chains on our website. The product details will provide the weight loading appropriate for the chain, the dimensions of the chain link and if the chain is split link or welded. The dimensions of the link and the photo images are important as you need to make sure that the link size is going to be suitable for your fixings on the ceiling rose and chandelier.
  6. Split link chain – as mentioned in in item 3 you can open the link slide through your closed loop and close the link. However you need to ensure that your loop will have a sufficient opening to allow the link to pass through. If not you may need either an S hook or chain link repair – if you are uncertain please contact us with the dimensions of your closed loop in order that we can check this for you. With an open hook you will need to check there is sufficient space for the chain to pass through the link although you can use the method for the closed loop also.
  7. Welded link – if you are choosing a welded link and have an open hook as above you will need to check there is sufficient space for the chain link to pass over the open hook and sit comfortably. For a closed loop you will require either an S hook, dependant on the chandelier weight, or chain link repair or shackle. With a welded link it is important to ensure that the chain link size is going to be the correct size to ensure that the link will accommodate either of these additional components – if you are unsure please contact us and we will be able to assist you in choosing the correct parts to make your installation a little easier.

It is always our recommendation that you err on the side of caution, it is better to purchase a chain and components with a higher weight loading that required rather than trying to “cheat” by using chains and components that are not suitable and have an insufficient weight loading. Remember also that your need to weight load test when installing chandeliers see our blogs on weight load testing and chandelier installation

We are happy to take your phone calls, 01206332938 or emails with any questions you may have when ordering from our website

How To Measure Your Chandelier Arm

The picture shows examples of the dimensions needed when choosing replacement chandelier arm, this is meant as a guide, the important dimensions are:-

  • The length of the arm cup to cup (our descriptions will advise if the cups are included)
  • The height of the arm

If you are unable to find a match on our website please email us at info@kingschandeliers.co.uk with photographs of your arm with a ruler running below and to the side so that we can pick up the measurements we require.

Please feel free to telephone us, 01206-332938, to discuss any queries.

Lamp Holder Types And Safety Features

For today’s blog I have decided to combine a few of our most frequently asked questions about lamp holders and so have structured this on a Q and A layout.

  • Q.1 This is a question, though not asked outright, is one that is skirted around – why are your lamp holders a bit more expensive?
  • A.1. The majority of our lamp holders are manufactured in the UK with a small amount being manufactured in Italy, Italy is renowned for their expertise in the lighting industry, allowing us direct contact with our manufacturers We do not import our lamp holders from China or the Far East. All products stocked by ourselves are products we are happy to use on our own restorations

  • Q.4. What is the difference between a threaded skirt lamp holder and plain skirt lamp holder?
  • A.4. Plain skirt lamp holders speak for themselves, the body of the lamp holder is plain without ridges, this lamp holder cannot be used with a lamp shade. A threaded skirt lamp holder is suitable for pairing with a lamp shade, the body of the lamp holder (skirt) has a thread running around the entire body length. Dependant on the style of the lamp holder there will either be one fixed shade ring and one removable shade ring or two removable shade rings. Please note when purchasing threaded skirt lamp holders from ourselves you will receive the number of shade rings required with the lamp holder, not all companies supply the shade rings or may supply one only expecting you to purchase shade rings separately. If you do need extra shade rings we do sell these separate to the lamp holder.
  • Q.5. Why do I need shade rings with my lamp holder?
  • A.5. You would use the threaded skirt lamp holder with shade rings if you are using a lamp shade, a lamp shade gallery or lamp shade clip. The shade rings clamp the gallery/lamp shade in place, one ring above the gallery opening and one below (ensure you purchase the correct lamp holder for your gallery/shade opening)
  • Q.6. What does it mean when it says the lamp holder has a 10mm, 13mm or half inch thread?
  • A.6. The lamp holder generally has a female thread to allow it to screw onto a receiving thread (known as the male thread as it is inserted into the lamp holder) e.g. on a lamp or a chandelier arm. You need to know the thread size of the male thread to determine which lamp holder to purchase. You can use what we call the “nut test”, get a nut that you know the size of and try fastening this to your male thread, if it fits great, if not you will know whether you need to test with a larger or smaller nut to determine the size. If your thread is an imperial or unusual thread you may wish to consider changing the receiving thread to M10, the most common size used, we stock this in various length sizes https://www.kingschandeliers.co.uk/threaded-rod-nuts-washers-and-metal-components/4/0/
  • Q.7. Are your lamp holders earthed?
  • A.7. The majority of our lamp holders are earthed and both the product description and photos should detail the position of the earth, either internal or external. Unearthed lamp holders will specify they are unearthed and if they specify 2 core electric cable use only they will be unearthed. If using unearthed lamp holders please check with your electrician if you need to earth at an alternative place on your light fitting.
  • Q.8. Screw in or push in terminals?
  • A.8. This is how your electrical cable is connected within the lamp holder and is down to personal preference although many lamp holders only come with the one option choice
  • Q.9. What are the safety features?
  • A.9. Lamp holders are now designed to reduce the risk of electrocution for the young and vulnerable. If you assemble your lamp holder before wiring in the electrics you will find it is locked to stop someone reaching the electrical elements when the lightbulb has been removed. We have a video on our website showing how to unlock your lamp holders, whilst the video features an E27 lamp holder the principle is the same for other lamp holders https://www.kingschandeliers.co.uk/video-tutorials.html The earthing of lamp holders has been covered in answer 7.
  • Q10. Should I use 2 core or 3 core electric cable?
  • A10. If you are using metal lamp holders you should use 3 core electrical cable, if you are using plastic lamp holders then 2 core electrical cable. If you are in doubt check with your electrician or contact us before placing your order 01206332938.
How To Unlock Your Lamp Holder

Marie Theresa Chandelier Restoration – Glass Ribs

What do I need glass ribs for? The Marie Theresa chandeliers were first introduced in Austria in the 18th century and rather than having complete glass arms the Marie Theresa chandelier is a metal frame that is faced with crystal or glass ribs and separate rosette flowers.

The ribs were traditionally produced by hand in long glass lengths and snapped to size to fit the arms in segments, you may see on your chandelier that there are varying lengths of rib, this was to allow for the best fit to the individual shape of arm.

You will note that the ribs have a narrow hollow centre to pass thin wire through to tie them into place with glass flower rosettes being placed over the rib joins to help secure the ribs in place and cover the join.

With the ribs being tied either side of the metal arm a hollow ridge is created which allows the electrical cable sit in place.

The photos show a wall light arm that is being stripped for restoration showing ribs in place and the frame beneath. Marie Theresa rosettes and pendalogues will be covered in a further blog so follow us for notifications on our new blogs

Marie Theresa glass ribs are available to purchase from ourselves but due to wide range of sizes and cuts please contact us https://www.kingschandeliers.co.uk/contact.html for further details.

What Are The Parts Of A Chandelier Called?

The word chandelier derives from the French word which itself is derived from a Latin word and entered the English language in 1736. You will find that the parts of a chandelier may be known by several names and with Google being used by many to search for parts for their chandeliers these names will appear more or less frequently than others. There will also be some differences dependant on the type and style of your chandelier, whether it is crystal, brass or glass, antique or modern.

Pendants, Lustres, Prisms and chandelier arms are going to be some of the most common names you will come across. To help with some of the basic terminology used on our website I have linked below the chandelier sketch that we show on our website.

Chandelier diagram part names Top Canopy crystal chains candle tubes bobeche chandelier arm

We also have an information page on our website that details the names and terminology in more detail, with a brief description of the purpose/use of each part. This page can be viewed at https://www.kingschandeliers.co.uk/Parts-of-a-Chandelier.html This page also features links to the relevant section on our website for allow easy ordering.

If you have any questions please do not hesitate to contact us by telephone, 01206332938, or email us via https://www.kingschandeliers.co.uk/contact.html